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CREDIT COUNSELLING CANADA: VERY BUSY WITH BANKRUPTCY ONLINE CHATTER

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Introduction

Like many people, I have set up various Google News alerts. Mine are mostly on the topic of insolvency. I have done this so that whenever a news article is posted on the topic, I will be alerted. One of the alerts I have set up is for the term “credit counselling Canada”. Last week I have noticed that a fair bit of bankruptcy online chatter.

The posts being promoted include:

I have taken a look at the posts. Generally, they are very accurate.

Unscrupulous debt consultants

I was very happy to see some of the posts warning against going to the unscrupulous debt consultants that I have written about before. The Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy (OSB) has also warned against them.

The purpose of this Brandon’s Blog is to comment and shed light on several comments in their recent busy online articles that I think are slightly misleading.

Consumer Proposal Ontario

In the Ontario consumer proposal blog, it is stated that a consumer proposal can only be arranged and administered by a bankruptcy trustee (now called a licensed insolvency trustee) (Trustee) which is true. They then go on to state what the cost of a consumer proposal is, that you need to pay an initial setup fee. They also state that the Trustee will also keep 20% of all of your consumer proposal payments.

This is misleading. The way I read it, is they claim you will have to pay a Trustee a setup fee, their fee and an additional 20%. This is not correct. In reality, the Trustee’s fee is a fixed tariff set by the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act (Canada) (BIA). The fee and disbursements of the Trustee are set in the statute. It is illegal, for the Trustee to collect anything above and beyond the statutory tariff.

The reality is that the Trustee’s fee and disbursements, set by a tariff, come out of the person’s consumer proposal payments. The consumer proposal payments are calculated off of what your creditors can expect in that person’s bankruptcy. Whatever that amount is, the bankruptcy law says that the amount offered in the consumer proposal must be higher. Therefore, the amount a person must offer to get creditor buy-in to accept the consumer proposal has zero relationships to the Trustee’s fee and disbursements.

As the Trustee is entitled to take its capped fee and disbursements from the consumer proposal fund, rather than costing the person, the Trustee’s fee and disbursements are actually free to the insolvent debtor!

Bankruptcy Trustee, Creditor & Debtor

The blog I read on this topic discussed is pretty accurate. The only issue I take is that when describing the role of the Trustee, they pull out the old scare tactic that although the Trustee makes sure that the rights of the debtor are not abused, the Trustee acts for your creditors. This is technically true but overlooks the role of the Trustee as a credit counsellor before the debtor decides whether or not to file either a consumer proposal or for bankruptcy.

In my professional practice, before I allow anyone to file for bankruptcy, I provide an exhaustive and detailed analysis of the person’s financial situation. I first ask the person to explain the issues and financial crisis they are facing which is upending their life. We then together look at their assets, liabilities and income so that I can come up with realistic options. We then discuss the options available and I explain the advantages and disadvantages of each. Then I provide my recommendation. All of this is done in an initial consultation and is no charge to the person.

If they wish to explore the options we discussed more seriously, I then have them complete our standard intake form called the Debt Relief Worksheet. That document when fully completed and provided to me with appropriate backup, allows me to confirm my initial diagnosis and recommendations. Then it is up to the debtor to make their choice as to how they wish to proceed.

After going through this process, with everything fully explained by me, there are no surprises. If the debtor follows my advice, they will have either a successful debt settlement consumer proposal or will discharge their debts through the bankruptcy process. During and after this entire process, the debtor does not feel that I am biased against them in favour of their creditors. Although I have acted formally on behalf of their creditors, the debtor thanks me for saving them and allowing them to restart their lives.

Personal bankruptcy Toronto

The blog I read on personal bankruptcy, part of a credit counselling Canada series, said that people will tell you that bankruptcy eliminated all of their debts. They then ask the question: Did they tell you that it is not possible for everyone? The obvious answer is no because someone who eliminated all of their debts isn’t worried about someone else’s situation and distinctions.

The three types of debts given as examples that cannot be eliminated by a discharge from bankruptcy are:

  • Secured debts, like mortgages and car loans
  • Student loans where you have ceased being a full-time or part-time student less than 7 years ago
  • Child and alimony support payments

This is all true. When I counsel debtors during the free consultation, we review issues like this. We discuss all of the person’s debts, which can be discharged and which cannot be. Just because a certain debt on its face cannot be discharged through bankruptcy, does not mean that the person cannot properly avail themselves of an insolvency process and improve their financial position in life.

Specifically, with secured debt, I attack it from the perspective of can you afford to keep paying that debt, or should you keep paying it. If the home is fully encumbered and there is no or little equity, perhaps renting is a cheaper alternative. We go through the same analysis for a car loan.

In some cases, it might make sense for the person to give up the asset to the mortgagee/lender and allow them to make a demand on the debtor for the shortfall. A shortfall happens when the lender sells the asset but the market will only pay less than the secured debt owing. The lender’s loss is the shortfall. They can pursue the debtor for the loss.

That lender loss, or shortfall, is now an unsecured debt. The person has hopefully found a car they can afford and home, condo or apartment to rent they can afford in their budget. They have now turned the secured debt into an unsecured shortfall claim. That unsecured debt can be discharged through either a consumer proposal or bankruptcy process.

So just because a secured debt cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, it doesn’t mean the person can afford or should keep that debt and continue making payments. They may have a better way to live while then being able to discharge their debts through an insolvency process.

Bankruptcy Discharge in Canada

The blog I read on bankruptcy discharge does not say too much about the bankruptcy discharge process. Rather, they do focus on the dangers of not getting a discharge and remaining undischarged bankrupt.

Everything they say on the topic is true. However, I believe it does leave out a lot of information. In my experience, if someone follows my advice and lives up to all of their obligations during the lifetime of their bankruptcy, then they are not going to have a problem with discharge. It really is only those who try to “game” the system, do not fully cooperate and refuse to make full and transparent disclosure who have problems.

That is how the BIA is designed to work. You are asking your creditors to forgo a lot of the debt you owe them. In return, you have to be fully cooperative and make full disclosure, so that every stakeholder in the bankruptcy process knows that it has been a fair process.

In all of the personal bankruptcies I have administered, it is a very small minority who have a problem with discharge. In all cases, it is their past behaviour or their lack of full disclosure in bankruptcy that has caused the problems, not the bankruptcy process itself.

Summary

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CREDIT COUNSELING: EVEN FREE MAY NOT GET YOU TO TALK

Introduction

In my May 3, 2017, Brandon’s Blog, DEBT SETTLEMENT OR CONSUMER PROPOSAL CANADA: REPORT SAYS CONSUMERS HARMED, I told you about a Government of Canada research study. On April 28, 2017, the Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy (OSB), released its study. It revealed the OSB’s concerns about credit counseling services in Canada who were doing more than just counselling, be they for-profit or non-profit.

The concerns

The concern was that the consumer was being harmed. The main areas of concern for the OSB were:

  1. Consumers paid more money than required if they had first seen a licensed insolvency trustee (previously called a bankruptcy trustee) (LIT or Trustee) rather than the debt settlement company.
  2. Dishonest debt relief firms chatted customers right into expensive car loans under the scare tactic that they would not qualify once they filed either a consumer proposal or for bankruptcy so now was the time to improve their credit score.
  3. The debt negotiation firms had no accreditation or experience to provide the sort of financial advice they were offering.
  4. Creditors obtained much less than they would have received if the insolvent person went first to see the LIT.
  5. Debtors had no idea of their obligations under the insolvency process they ended up filing for. They were not offered the chance to experience one of the most essential facets of the Canadian bankruptcy system, economic recovery.

Public consultation

On November 24, 2017, the OSB sought public consultation on amending the process by which a LIT must perform credit counselling as part of the administration of consumer proposal filings. Changes were implemented and given time to see how they would work in practice.

On June 17, 2019, the OSB announced that it was seeking public consultation on a new Directive for LITs on credit counselling. These changes are meant to streamline the administrative structure for insolvency credit counseling.

All the changes are to better control the Trustees who receive referrals from debt settlement companies that charge the debtors for services that they really do not require before handing them over to a LIT to administer a consumer proposal.

Why not just go see a Trustee first?

It makes the most sense when you realize you are in financial trouble to see a LIT. A Trustee is only professional licensed, recognized and supervised by the federal government to provide insolvency advice and to administer insolvency filings to eliminate debt problems. A restructuring proposal is a government and court approved debt settlement plan to do that. In a first consultation, a Trustee will listen to all the issues and then provide a debtor with all the available alternatives. The aim is to avoid bankruptcy. This first consultation is also free! No charge! Gratis!

So why don’t more people do so? I believe the answer is in a recent Angus Reid poll titled The Awkward Silences Survey 2019. The survey says one-in-five Canadians claimed they least like to talk about:

  1. Embarrassing health and wellness concerns – 20%
  2. Sex – 18%
  3. Finances – 17%
  4. Religious beliefs or politics 17%
  5. Small talk – 15%
  6. Family and relationships – 13%

The unwillingness to talk about humiliating health and wellness problems was more widespread amongst males (23%) than females (17%).

When asked which one money and finance subject people like discussing the very least, personal debt and bankruptcy led by a big margin with one-in-three stating it was off limits to discuss (34%). This number is significantly greater in Quebec (42%) and least in Ontario (28%).

The survey says Canadians said that in the money and finance area, the least favourite topics they like to talk about are:

  1. Personal debt or bankruptcy – 34%
  2. Assets, liabilities and net worth – 22%
  3. Their income – 16%
  4. How they spend their money – 12%
  5. Savings and investments – 11%
  6. Their mortgage – 5%

I don’t do government approved and free

I always knew that going to see a Trustee to talk about financial problems was not high on anyone’s list. This recent survey is the first time that I have seen it studied with anything other than anecdotal stories. This could explain why even though it makes the most sense, people avoid it for as long as they can. It also explains why people will search out companies that try to candy coat the topic and call it something nicer. Unfortunately, as the OSB studies have shown, consumers do so to their own detriment.

People would rather pay good money they can’t afford to be hoodwinked by an unscrupulous debt consultant until they realize they have no choice but to see a Trustee. At that point, most of their various options are no longer available and bankruptcy is more often than not inevitable.

Whether it is a business or a person, corporate or personal, it will help to talk about it to a Trustee. Sticking your head in the sand will not make things better. There are various options to look at depending on how early on you seek help.

Corporate financial problems

For corporate financial problems, the options may include:

Refinancing with a new lender who has not grown weary.

Sometimes relationships, including business relationships, just run their course and fatigue sets in. I was recently consulted by a company whose banker grew tired of their turnaround plan, that was working. By introducing this company and its senior management to a new lender, who saw the long term benefits of lending to a company that was successfully turning itself around, the company was able to refinance and continue their business.

Corporate restructuring.

Sometimes a more formal plan needs to be put into place using one of Canada’s two federal statutes: (i) Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act (Canada) (CCAA); or (ii) the proposal provisions of the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act (Canada) (BIA). We have done many.

Receivership or bankruptcy proceedings to take assets from a sick company and get them into a healthy one to save jobs and the business.

Sometimes the corporate body is just too sick and weak and cannot continue. However, taking healthy assets and employees and transferring them to a new or different corporation can revitalize a business and save jobs. The old shareholders may or may not be associated with the new company. However, the highest value will be obtained for creditors, employees and all other stakeholders.

Personal financial problems

For personal financial problems, the options may include:

Credit counseling and budgeting.

Many people need help with items such as:

  • Budgeting
  • achieving financial goals
  • spending habits
  • responsible use of credit

Many times once this help is received, people can continue on themselves without any further problems.

Debt consolidation.

Debt consolidation is the process that permits you to roll your varied financial debts owing to many creditors into one single loan, leaving you with just one creditor. If you are starting to have troubles staying on top of your minimum month-to-month payments, and the amount of your debt is frustrating you, debt consolidation is a choice worth thinking about.

A consumer proposal and Division I Proposal.

A consumer proposal and a Division 1 proposal are options to filing bankruptcy. Although comparable in several aspects, there are some significant distinctions. Consumer proposals are offered to people whose financial debts aren’t more than $250,000, not including any debts registered against your personal house. Division 1 proposals are readily available to both companies and people whose financial obligations go beyond $250,000 (omitting mortgages registered on their primary home).

A consumer proposal is an official process under the BIA. Dealing with a Trustee you make a proposal to:

  • Pay your creditors a percentage of what you owe them over a specific amount of time
  • Extend the time you need to repay the debt
  • A mix of both

Repayments are made via the Trustee, who makes use of that money to distribute to each of your creditors. The agreed to a lesser amount of debt has to be repaid within 5 years.

Bankruptcy.

Sometimes when there are no other options, but the pain and stress of your debt load are just too much for you to handle, and you can’t see any other way, bankruptcy may be the only answer. The purpose of bankruptcy in Canada is to return the honest but unfortunate debtor back into society, so that they may be a productive member going forward.

Are you ready to talk about finances now and get some real credit counseling?

Don’t be like those people who took part in the Angus Reid survey. Take a positive step in the right direction to help your company and yourself.

Is your business in financial distress because you cannot collect your billings? Do you not have adequate funds to pay your creditors as their bills to you come due?

If so, call the Ira Smith Team today. We have decades and generations of experience assisting people looking for financial restructuring, a debt settlement plan and to AVOID bankruptcy.

A restructuring proposal is a government approved debt settlement plan to do that. We will help you decide on what is best for you between a restructuring proposal vs bankruptcy.

Call the Ira Smith Team today so you can eliminate the stress, anxiety, and pain from your life that your financial problems have caused. With the one-of-a-kind roadmap, we develop just for you, we will immediately return you right into a healthy and balanced problem-free life.

You can have a no-cost analysis so we can help you fix your troubles. Call the Ira Smith Team today. This will allow you to go back to a new healthy and balanced life, Starting Over Starting Now.

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